• An Avatar System for Mystic

    From Smooth@10:103/11.1 to All on Sunday, January 09, 2022 23:13:36
    Ktulu and I are currently working on a NEW Avatar System for Mystic. Progress is being made. Looking good. :D

    |11// |03Smooth |07+o |05{|12{|08.|15DESPAiR BBS|08.|12}|05} |14

    ... A Mystic asking for a hot-dog: "Make me one with everything"

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A47 2021/12/10 (Windows/64)
    * Origin: DESPAiR BBS // sys:Smooth // Covina, CA (10:103/11.1)
  • From w0er@10:101/9 to Smooth on Wednesday, January 12, 2022 20:20:59
    Dumb questions is the avatar system already being used on absinthe? If so, its fucking dope.

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  • From Smooth@10:103/11.1 to w0er on Wednesday, January 12, 2022 20:51:00
    On 12 Jan 2022, w0er said the following...

    Dumb questions is the avatar system already being used on absinthe? If
    so, its fucking dope.

    That is a killer custom avatar system that was written specifically for Absinthe BBS on C-NET. It's not the one that we're working on though. The one
    that we're working on is specifically for Mystic BBS software.

    |11// |03Smooth |07+o |05{|12{|08.|15DESPAiR BBS|08.|12}|05} |14

    ... What do you mean, QWK? It took me over an hour to read!

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A48 2022/01/12 (Windows/64)
    * Origin: DESPAiR BBS // sys:Smooth // Covina, CA (10:103/11.1)
  • From paulie420@10:103/17 to Smooth on Wednesday, January 12, 2022 22:10:29
    Ktulu and I are currently working on a NEW Avatar System for Mystic. Progress is being made. Looking good. :D

    Two cool scene cats on this one... I'm willing to help in any way(s) I can; mostly testing, if you need it... I have users in and out all day long.

    I promise to do one THING this year in MPL. :P Whats it gonna be, Paulie-O?



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    |08.........

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    * Origin: 2o fOr beeRS bbS >> 20ForBeers.com:1337 (10:103/17)
  • From Smooth@10:103/11.1 to paulie420 on Thursday, January 13, 2022 08:55:09
    On 12 Jan 2022, paulie420 said the following...
    Two cool scene cats on this one... I'm willing to help in any way(s) I can; mostly testing, if you need it... I have users in and out all day long.

    I've got you down on the testers list too paulie420. Thanks.

    I promise to do one THING this year in MPL. :P Whats it gonna be, Paulie-O?

    I'd love to see something that BBSes don't usually have. :D

    |11// |03Smooth |07+o |05{|12{|08.|15DESPAiR BBS|08.|12}|05} |14

    ... It said "insert disk #3", but only two will fit...

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A48 2022/01/12 (Windows/64)
    * Origin: DESPAiR BBS // sys:Smooth // Covina, CA (10:103/11.1)
  • From opicron@10:104/4 to Smooth on Thursday, January 13, 2022 19:29:15
    I promise to do one THING this year in MPL. :P Whats it gonna be, Paulie-O?

    I'd love to see something that BBSes don't usually have. :D

    Sry to break in, but I will have something unique going within a few weeks
    :). Cant wait to finish it to be honest!

    Will drop a line when its done.

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A46 2020/08/26 (Linux/64)
    * Origin: TheForze - bbs.opicron.eu:23 (10:104/4)
  • From MeaTLoTioN@10:104/2 to Smooth on Thursday, January 20, 2022 14:58:28
    I'd love to see something that BBSes don't usually have. :D

    Like what sort of things?

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    |07ÄÄ |08[|10ark|08] |1510:104/2 |07ÄÙ

    ... The reason Santa is so jolly is because he knows where the bad girls live

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A47 2021/12/13 (Linux/64)
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  • From MeaTLoTioN@10:104/2 to Smooth on Thursday, January 20, 2022 18:35:12
    On 13 Jan 2022, Smooth said the following...

    I'd love to see something that BBSes don't usually have. :D

    Log into TQW (with syncterm or mlterm) and at the main menu press /C for something BBSes don't usually have =)

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    |07ÄÄ |08[|10eml|08] |15ml@erb.pw |07ÄÄ |08[|10web|08] |15www.erb.pw |07ÄÄÄ¿ |07ÄÄ |08[|09fsx|08] |1521:1/158 |07ÄÄ |08[|11tqw|08] |151337:1/101 |07ÂÄÄÙ |07ÄÄ |08[|12rtn|08] |1580:774/81 |07ÄÂ |08[|14fdn|08] |152:250/5 |07ÄÄÄÙ
    |07ÄÄ |08[|10ark|08] |1510:104/2 |07ÄÙ

    ... A Mystic asking for a hot-dog: "Make me one with everything"

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A47 2021/12/13 (Linux/64)
    * Origin: thE qUAntUm wOrmhOlE, rAmsgAtE, uK. bbs.erb.pw (10:104/2)
  • From Smooth@10:103/11.1 to MeaTLoTioN on Thursday, January 20, 2022 22:10:26
    On 20 Jan 2022, MeaTLoTioN said the following...
    Like what sort of things?

    You'll have to wait and see. 2022 is a good year. ;p

    |11// |03Smooth |07+o |05{|12{|08.|15DESPAiR BBS|08.|12}|05} |14

    ... Everyone is entitled to my opinion!

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A48 2022/01/14 (Windows/64)
    * Origin: DESPAiR BBS // sys:Smooth // Covina, CA (10:103/11.1)
  • From Smooth@10:103/11.1 to MeaTLoTioN on Thursday, January 20, 2022 22:54:32
    On 20 Jan 2022, MeaTLoTioN said the following...
    Log into TQW (with syncterm or mlterm) and at the main menu press /C for something BBSes don't usually have =)

    I haven't logged on for awhile and had to create a new account. Could you validate me so that I can try the /C from your menu. It wasn't working for me after registration. Thanks.

    |11// |03Smooth |07+o |05{|12{|08.|15DESPAiR BBS|08.|12}|05} |14

    ... Origin of Life? Just check my refrigerator...

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A48 2022/01/14 (Windows/64)
    * Origin: DESPAiR BBS // sys:Smooth // Covina, CA (10:103/11.1)
  • From MeaTLoTioN@10:104/2 to Smooth on Friday, January 21, 2022 09:49:10
    On 20 Jan 2022, Smooth said the following...

    On 20 Jan 2022, MeaTLoTioN said the following...
    Log into TQW (with syncterm or mlterm) and at the main menu press /C something BBSes don't usually have =)

    I haven't logged on for awhile and had to create a new account. Could you validate me so that I can try the /C from your menu. It wasn't working for me after registration. Thanks.

    Hey dude, I will validate you of course, but /C is in the DOORS menu, not the main menu =)

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    |07ÄÄ |08[|10ark|08] |1510:104/2 |07ÄÙ

    ... I put a dollar in one of those change machines. Nothing changed.

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  • From opicron@10:104/4 to MeaTLoTioN on Friday, January 21, 2022 10:54:47
    Hey dude, I will validate you of course, but /C is in the DOORS menu, not main menu =)

    So I logged into your (very nice) board. Love the theme and ansis.

    I enter the doors menu.

    Finally after much anticipation I enter the magic command /C


    ..

    Hyperdrives start spinning up, an eerie rumbling sounds in the distance,
    almost it happens.. And then.. nothing, crash and burn..

    I must have entered the wrong code?


    oP!

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A46 2020/08/26 (Linux/64)
    * Origin: TheForze - bbs.opicron.eu:23 (10:104/4)
  • From MeaTLoTioN@10:104/2 to opicron on Friday, January 21, 2022 14:09:24
    So I logged into your (very nice) board. Love the theme and ansis.

    I enter the doors menu.

    Finally after much anticipation I enter the magic command /C


    ..

    Hyperdrives start spinning up, an eerie rumbling sounds in the distance, almost it happens.. And then.. nothing, crash and burn..

    I must have entered the wrong code?

    Are you using SyncTERM? It only works in SyncTERM, but you should at least be able to know that something is happening if you're using something else.

    What did happen when you pressed it?

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    |07ÄÄ |08[|10ark|08] |1510:104/2 |07ÄÙ

    ... A .GIF is worth a thousand .TXT.

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A47 2021/12/13 (Linux/64)
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  • From opicron@10:104/4 to MeaTLoTioN on Friday, January 21, 2022 16:20:21
    Are you using SyncTERM? It only works in SyncTERM, but you should at least able to know that something is happening if you're using something else. What did happen when you pressed it?
    Ah, I used netrunner.

    It said: press ESC to exit, press any key. They after key press it stalled, nothing happening. Seemed like the screen froze up.

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A46 2020/08/26 (Linux/64)
    * Origin: TheForze - bbs.opicron.eu:23 (10:104/4)
  • From MeaTLoTioN@10:104/2 to opicron on Friday, January 21, 2022 17:01:43
    On 21 Jan 2022, opicron said the following...

    It said: press ESC to exit, press any key. They after key press it stalled, nothing happening. Seemed like the screen froze up.

    Ah, use SyncTERM, Netrunner doesn't support the thing.

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    |07ÄÄ |08[|10ark|08] |1510:104/2 |07ÄÙ

    ... Message encrypted: Press ALT-F4 to read encoded message

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A47 2021/12/13 (Linux/64)
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  • From Smooth@10:103/11.1 to MeaTLoTioN on Friday, January 21, 2022 08:36:49
    On 21 Jan 2022, MeaTLoTioN said the following...
    Hey dude, I will validate you of course, but /C is in the DOORS menu,
    not the main menu =)

    Your original message said that it was in the main menu. hehe :P

    |11// |03Smooth |07+o |05{|12{|08.|15DESPAiR BBS|08.|12}|05} |14

    ... I have a really good memory, except it's short.

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A48 2022/01/14 (Windows/64)
    * Origin: DESPAiR BBS // sys:Smooth // Covina, CA (10:103/11.1)
  • From Smooth@10:103/11.1 to opicron on Friday, January 21, 2022 08:43:43
    On 21 Jan 2022, opicron said the following...

    I enter the doors menu.

    Finally after much anticipation I enter the magic command /C


    Did you log on with SyncTerm (latest build)?

    |11// |03Smooth |07+o |05{|12{|08.|15DESPAiR BBS|08.|12}|05} |14

    ... Marriage is one of the chief causes of divorce

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A48 2022/01/14 (Windows/64)
    * Origin: DESPAiR BBS // sys:Smooth // Covina, CA (10:103/11.1)
  • From Smooth@10:103/11.1 to MeaTLoTioN on Friday, January 21, 2022 08:44:19
    On 21 Jan 2022, MeaTLoTioN said the following...
    Are you using SyncTERM? It only works in SyncTERM, but you should at
    least be able to know that something is happening if you're using something else.

    I got sixel Rick-rolled. :P Nice. hehe

    |11// |03Smooth |07+o |05{|12{|08.|15DESPAiR BBS|08.|12}|05} |14

    ... Operator, give me the number for 911

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A48 2022/01/14 (Windows/64)
    * Origin: DESPAiR BBS // sys:Smooth // Covina, CA (10:103/11.1)
  • From opicron@10:104/4 to MeaTLoTioN on Friday, January 21, 2022 18:16:36
    It said: press ESC to exit, press any key. They after key press it stalled, nothing happening. Seemed like the screen froze up.

    Ah, use SyncTERM, Netrunner doesn't support the thing.

    MeatLotion, I officially h8 you now whahahah1!

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A46 2020/08/26 (Linux/64)
    * Origin: TheForze - bbs.opicron.eu:23 (10:104/4)
  • From MeaTLoTioN@10:104/2 to opicron on Friday, January 21, 2022 19:53:33
    On 21 Jan 2022, opicron said the following...

    It said: press ESC to exit, press any key. They after key press stalled, nothing happening. Seemed like the screen froze up.

    Ah, use SyncTERM, Netrunner doesn't support the thing.

    MeatLotion, I officially h8 you now whahahah1!

    HAHAHAHAHAHA <3

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    |07ÄÄ |08[|10eml|08] |15ml@erb.pw |07ÄÄ |08[|10web|08] |15www.erb.pw |07ÄÄÄ¿ |07ÄÄ |08[|09fsx|08] |1521:1/158 |07ÄÄ |08[|11tqw|08] |151337:1/101 |07ÂÄÄÙ |07ÄÄ |08[|12rtn|08] |1580:774/81 |07ÄÂ |08[|14fdn|08] |152:250/5 |07ÄÄÄÙ
    |07ÄÄ |08[|10ark|08] |1510:104/2 |07ÄÙ

    ... I wish life had a scroll-back buffer.

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A47 2021/12/13 (Linux/64)
    * Origin: thE qUAntUm wOrmhOlE, rAmsgAtE, uK. bbs.erb.pw (10:104/2)
  • From esc@10:102/7 to MeaTLoTioN on Friday, January 21, 2022 11:02:45
    Hey dude, I will validate you of course, but /C is in the DOORS menu,
    not the main menu =)

    I tried this yesterday BTW and unfortunately your board hung. Hope I didn't eat
    a node.

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A47 2021/12/25 (Windows/32)
    * Origin: d i s t o r t i o n // d1st.org (10:102/7)
  • From esc@10:102/7 to opicron on Friday, January 21, 2022 11:03:43
    It said: press ESC to exit, press any key. They after key press it stalled, nothing happening. Seemed like the screen froze up.

    Same thing happened for me, I even tried pressing myself to see what would happen and nothing.

    hehe

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A47 2021/12/25 (Windows/32)
    * Origin: d i s t o r t i o n // d1st.org (10:102/7)
  • From MeaTLoTioN@10:104/2 to Smooth on Friday, January 21, 2022 20:06:53
    I got sixel Rick-rolled. :P Nice. hehe

    It's an animated gif, rendered in real time to sixel =)

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    |07ÄÄ |08[|10ark|08] |1510:104/2 |07ÄÙ

    ... I'd love to help you out. Which way did you come in?

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A47 2021/12/13 (Linux/64)
    * Origin: thE qUAntUm wOrmhOlE, rAmsgAtE, uK. bbs.erb.pw (10:104/2)
  • From MeaTLoTioN@10:104/2 to esc on Friday, January 21, 2022 20:08:09
    On 21 Jan 2022, esc said the following...

    Hey dude, I will validate you of course, but /C is in the DOORS menu, not the main menu =)

    I tried this yesterday BTW and unfortunately your board hung. Hope I didn't eat a node.

    Were you using SyncTERM? It only works with SyncTERM. I didn't know that it would kick you if you weren't, or if you were that something else went wrong, I
    will have to look into that. No node was chewed up. thanks for letting me know
    though.`

    ---
    |14Best regards,
    |11Ch|03rist|11ia|15n |11a|03ka |11Me|03aTLoT|11io|15N

    |07ÄÄ |08[|10eml|08] |15ml@erb.pw |07ÄÄ |08[|10web|08] |15www.erb.pw |07ÄÄÄ¿ |07ÄÄ |08[|09fsx|08] |1521:1/158 |07ÄÄ |08[|11tqw|08] |151337:1/101 |07ÂÄÄÙ |07ÄÄ |08[|12rtn|08] |1580:774/81 |07ÄÂ |08[|14fdn|08] |152:250/5 |07ÄÄÄÙ
    |07ÄÄ |08[|10ark|08] |1510:104/2 |07ÄÙ

    ... You can learn many things from children... like how much patience you have

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A47 2021/12/13 (Linux/64)
    * Origin: thE qUAntUm wOrmhOlE, rAmsgAtE, uK. bbs.erb.pw (10:104/2)
  • From Ktulu@10:103/6 to All on Friday, January 21, 2022 14:49:15
    I wish Mystic could detect WHICH term you're using. Theres gotta be a way, without prompting the user. Then this wouldn't happen.

    |08-|12Ktulu
    |12S|04ys|12O|04p |08@ |12I|04nsane |12A|04sylum |12BBS
    |07Insane Asylum BBS -telnet://asylum.erb.pw port 23

    ... No honey, I can't eat with the family. My computer gets lonely!

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A48 2022/01/19 (Windows/64)
    * Origin: Insane Asylum (10:103/6)
  • From esc@10:102/7 to MeaTLoTioN on Friday, January 21, 2022 13:33:32
    Were you using SyncTERM? It only works with SyncTERM. I didn't know that it would kick you if you weren't, or if you were that something else
    went wrong, I will have to look into that. No node was chewed up.
    thanks for letting me know though.`

    Nope, was using NetRunner. Interesting that you can't quit out of it though.

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A47 2021/12/25 (Windows/32)
    * Origin: d i s t o r t i o n // d1st.org (10:102/7)
  • From MeaTLoTioN@10:104/2 to esc on Friday, January 21, 2022 23:47:05
    On 21 Jan 2022, esc said the following...

    Were you using SyncTERM? It only works with SyncTERM. I didn't know t it would kick you if you weren't, or if you were that something else went wrong, I will have to look into that. No node was chewed up. thanks for letting me know though.`

    Nope, was using NetRunner. Interesting that you can't quit out of it though.

    Again that's very odd, you should be able to just press ESC and it will get out
    that way... I'll look into it

    Thanks for letting me know

    ---
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    |07ÄÄ |08[|10eml|08] |15ml@erb.pw |07ÄÄ |08[|10web|08] |15www.erb.pw |07ÄÄÄ¿ |07ÄÄ |08[|09fsx|08] |1521:1/158 |07ÄÄ |08[|11tqw|08] |151337:1/101 |07ÂÄÄÙ |07ÄÄ |08[|12rtn|08] |1580:774/81 |07ÄÂ |08[|14fdn|08] |152:250/5 |07ÄÄÄÙ
    |07ÄÄ |08[|10ark|08] |1510:104/2 |07ÄÙ

    ... Oxymoron: Race walking

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A47 2021/12/13 (Linux/64)
    * Origin: thE qUAntUm wOrmhOlE, rAmsgAtE, uK. bbs.erb.pw (10:104/2)
  • From Smooth@10:103/11.1 to Ktulu on Friday, January 21, 2022 16:04:36
    On 21 Jan 2022, Ktulu said the following...

    I wish Mystic could detect WHICH term you're using. Theres gotta be a
    way, without prompting the user. Then this wouldn't happen.

    Even if it was possible, it'd be a version issue. If a user doesn't have the latest and greatest SyncTerm they still won't be able to display sixel. The sysop still has to do their due diligence and display some type of warning or prompt prior to displaying something that may or may not work correctly.

    |11// |03Smooth |07+o |05{|12{|08.|15DESPAiR BBS|08.|12}|05} |14

    ... If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A48 2022/01/14 (Windows/64)
    * Origin: DESPAiR BBS // sys:Smooth // Covina, CA (10:103/11.1)
  • From opicron@10:104/4 to Ktulu on Saturday, January 22, 2022 10:24:12
    I wish Mystic could detect WHICH term you're using. Theres gotta be a way, without prompting the user. Then this wouldn't happen.

    Didnt DuraBBS have some kind of detection going on?

    oP!

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A46 2020/08/26 (Linux/64)
    * Origin: TheForze - bbs.opicron.eu:23 (10:104/4)
  • From paulie420@10:103/17 to Smooth on Saturday, January 22, 2022 17:06:06
    Log into TQW (with syncterm or mlterm) and at the main menu press /C something BBSes don't usually have =)

    I haven't logged on for awhile and had to create a new account. Could you validate me so that I can try the /C from your menu. It wasn't working for me after registration. Thanks.

    Its cool, you can just use my account;

    username- paulie420
    password- coconutfan1979



    |07p|15AULIE|1142|07o
    |08.........

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A47 2021/12/24 (Raspberry Pi/32)
    * Origin: 2o fOr beeRS bbS >> 20ForBeers.com:1337 (10:103/17)