Hello Mike,

* For the record, I quoted this from my DUPE base, and reposted it here in 0n-warez, where it should have been. *

On Wed, Oct 02 2024 02:59:30 -0500, you wrote:

On 28.09.2024 23:20, Esc wrote to Exodus:

^ATID: Mystic BBS 1.12 A49
^AMSGID: 911:1719/0 87e0211e
^AREPLY: 911:1724/0 d28a7389
^ATZUTC: -0700

I take the silence as a no then?

Any time I want to find a file I call your board or 20 for Beers,
so if you don't have it and his board doesn't have it, it might not
exist :P

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A49 2023/02/26 (Linux/64)
* Origin: m O N T E R E Y b B S . c O M (911:1719/0)

Wise words!

:-)

--- Platinum Xpress/Win/WINServer v7.0
* Origin: Global Chaos BBS - The rising star of Bavaria, German (911:4982/0)

Are we sure everyone is seeing these messages from "Mike" ?

They're going straight to my DUPE area, and not in 0n-warez where it
should be - and it's not happening to anyone else.

I can't, for the life of me, figure out why it would actually be a dupe,
unless he's using MSGIDs that are already in my system from other
messages. Or, if Platinum Xpress doesn't actually /use/ MSGIDs (which I
don't see one in the kludges I pasted below), and when he replies to
someone, maybe it's sending it off with the original message's MSGID
with the new message? Hard to tell from my end. JP, what say you?

From: "Mike -> Esc" <0@0.4982.911>
X-Comment-To: Esc
Subject: Re: Daily Horoscope Door
Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2024 07:59:30 GMT
X-SMAPI-From: Mike <0:0/0.0>
X-SMAPI-To: Esc <0:0/0.0>
X-SMAPI-DateWritten: 02 Oct 24 07:59:30
X-SMAPI-DateArrived: 02 Oct 24 01:30:14
X-SMAPI-Control: @AREA:0n-warez
X-SMAPI-Control: @PATH: 4982/0 1423/0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii;

Maybe, if Mike would like to reply to this, don't quote (or at least
delete these from your quoted text) the MSGID and REPLY kludges of the
original message. Since it still contains the CTRL-A characters that are supposed to be removed or changed. Even better, don't quote (or delete) everything you quote that starts with "^A".

Regards,
Nick

... He who laughs last, thinks slowest.
--- slrn/pre1.0.4-9 (Linux)
* Origin: The Pharcyde ~ telnet://bbs.pharcyde.org (Wisconsin) (911:1262/1)

on 02 Oct 2024, Accession said...

Are we sure everyone is seeing these messages from "Mike" ?

I actually saw the original one normally - Mystic did not catch it as a dupe on my system. :/

I can't, for the life of me, figure out why it would actually be a dupe, unless he's using MSGIDs that are already in my system from other messages. Or, if Platinum Xpress doesn't actually /use/ MSGIDs (which I don't see one in the kludges I pasted below), and when he replies to someone, maybe it's sending it off with the original message's MSGID
with the new message? Hard to tell from my end. JP, what say you?

Everything appears to be normal on this end, but I'll do some log spelunking and see if I see any other weirdness with his posts.

Maybe, if Mike would like to reply to this, don't quote (or at least delete these from your quoted text) the MSGID and REPLY kludges of the original message. Since it still contains the CTRL-A characters that are supposed to be removed or changed. Even better, don't quote (or delete) everything you quote that starts with "^A".

^- do it, Mike!

|07j |15A C K |07p |15H L A S H |07!
|08[https://jackphla.sh]

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A47 2021/12/25 (Windows/32)
* Origin: d i s t o r t i o n // d1st.org (911:1423/0)

Hello jack,

On Thu, Oct 03 2024 02:14:08 -0500, you wrote:

Are we sure everyone is seeing these messages from "Mike" ?

I actually saw the original one normally - Mystic did not catch it as a dupe on my system. :/

His posts to Dovenet seem to be arriving on my system just fine. However, one thing I noticed, is that when his messages are sent through Vertrauen via QWK networking, all of the kludge lines he's quoting are reformatted (the ctrl-A characters are changed to "@" like they're supposed to be).

Everything appears to be normal on this end, but I'll do some log spelunking and see if I see any other weirdness with his posts.

I have a feeling it has to do with Platinum Express not using MSGID, mixed with those CTRL-A characters. Unfortunately, my hub that is catching these messages as dupes doesn't pass them on to my BBS, either.

Maybe, if Mike would like to reply to this, don't quote (or at least
delete these from your quoted text) the MSGID and REPLY kludges of the
original message. Since it still contains the CTRL-A characters that are
supposed to be removed or changed. Even better, don't quote (or delete)
everything you quote that starts with "^A".

^- do it, Mike!

Yeah, doooo ittttt!

Regards,
Nick

... He who laughs last, thinks slowest.
--- slrn/pre1.0.4-9 (Linux)
* Origin: The Pharcyde ~ telnet://bbs.pharcyde.org (Wisconsin) (911:1262/1)

on 03 Oct 2024, Accession said...

I have a feeling it has to do with Platinum Express not using MSGID,
mixed with those CTRL-A characters. Unfortunately, my hub that is
catching these messages as dupes doesn't pass them on to my BBS, either.

I figured from your first message that Platinum Express might be to blame, but I'm not trying to pick on it - a lot of people seem to think pretty highly of it. *shrug*

|07j |15A C K |07p |15H L A S H |07!
|08[https://jackphla.sh]

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A47 2021/12/25 (Windows/32)
* Origin: d i s t o r t i o n // d1st.org (911:1423/0)

Hi Jack,
In a message to Accession you wrote:

I figured from your first message that Platinum Express might be to
blame, but I'm not trying to pick on it - a lot of people seem to
think pretty highly of it. *shrug*

I don't htink anyone likes Platinum Express, people just use it becuase
there is nothing else.

When I ran WINS I bitched almost daily about PE, re-building the mesage
areas by hand every 3 months wasn't fun either.

Shawn

* SeM. 2.26 * (c) Copywight 1997 Elmer Fudd. All wights wesewved.
--- SBBSecho 3.20-Linux
* Origin: _thePharcyde telnet://bbs.pharcyde.org (Wisconsin) (911:1262/700)

On 04.10.2024 06:08, Tiny wrote to Jack Phlash:

@TZUTC: -0500
@MSGID: 464.0n-warez@911:1262/700 2b650348
@PID: Synchronet 3.20a-Linux master/5508a8a55 Sep 22 202 GCC 14.2.1
@TID: SBBSecho 3.20-Linux master/5508a8a55 Sep 22 2024 18:58 GCC 14.2.1 @BBSID: PHARCYDE
@CHRS: CP437 2
Hi Jack,
In a message to Accession you wrote:

I figured from your first message that Platinum Express might be to blame, but I'm not trying to pick on it - a lot of people seem to
think pretty highly of it. *shrug*

I don't htink anyone likes Platinum Express, people just use it becuase there is nothing else.

When I ran WINS I bitched almost daily about PE, re-building the mesage areas by hand every 3 months wasn't fun either.

Shawn

* SeM. 2.26 * (c) Copywight 1997 Elmer Fudd. All wights wesewved.
--- SBBSecho 3.20-Linux
* Origin: _thePharcyde telnet://bbs.pharcyde.org (Wisconsin) (911:1262/700)

Hi Tiny, Hi Jack

Small Update...

Checked everything again on my config here and found nothing wrong.

If I reply to a message the "->" is here displayed correct.

I don't know what happend on the way to Jack (nothing against you Jack!!!!). The logs didn't tell anything!

And you are right! If you use Wildcat Interactive Server, there is no alternative to
Platinum Xpress unfortunately.

And the programmer isn't really interested to work on a modern version of PXW. Customer requests are not even answered or are downplayed!
So much to a commercial BBS program! I don't wanna say more to it, but if I would plan again building a "new" BBS, maybe my choice would no longer be at Wildcat!
Who knows :-)

My personal opinion is (to Wildcat Interactive Net Server)... There are some things, I
really miss, which programs.. like AmiExpress, PCBoard (which I used in the past) could
handle since the mid of the 90's! So enough told! lol

Mike




--- Platinum Xpress/Win/WINServer v7.0
* Origin: Global Chaos BBS - The rising star of Bavaria, German (911:4982/0)

on 04 Oct 2024, Tiny said...

I don't htink anyone likes Platinum Express, people just use it becuase there is nothing else.

When I ran WINS I bitched almost daily about PE, re-building the mesage areas by hand every 3 months wasn't fun either.

Oh...

LOL! :P

|07j |15A C K |07p |15H L A S H |07!
|08[https://jackphla.sh]

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A47 2021/12/25 (Windows/32)
* Origin: d i s t o r t i o n // d1st.org (911:1423/0)

on 04 Oct 2024, Mike said...

Checked everything again on my config here and found nothing wrong.

If I reply to a message the "->" is here displayed correct.

I don't know what happend on the way to Jack (nothing against you Jack!!!!). The logs didn't tell anything!

Well, you're not picking on me, it looks fine on this side. It's just Accession (and I'd assume other Synch boards?) that aren't seeing your posts.

My personal opinion is (to Wildcat Interactive Net Server)... There are some things, I
really miss, which programs.. like AmiExpress, PCBoard (which I used in the past) could
handle since the mid of the 90's! So enough told! lol

Well, I'm not (and I don't think anyone else is) giving you any sort of hard time about this, we'd just like to figure it out and get it fixed!

|07j |15A C K |07p |15H L A S H |07!
|08[https://jackphla.sh]

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A47 2021/12/25 (Windows/32)
* Origin: d i s t o r t i o n // d1st.org (911:1423/0)

On 04.10.2024 09:36, Jack Phlash wrote to Mike:

@TID: Mystic BBS 1.12 A47
@MSGID: 911:1423/0 6d84e3fc
@TZUTC: -0700
on 04 Oct 2024, Mike said...

Checked everything again on my config here and found nothing wrong.

If I reply to a message the "->" is here displayed correct.

I don't know what happend on the way to Jack (nothing against you Jack!!!!). The logs didn't tell anything!

Well, you're not picking on me, it looks fine on this side. It's just Accession
(and I'd assume other Synch boards?) that aren't seeing your posts.

My personal opinion is (to Wildcat Interactive Net Server)... There are some things, I
really miss, which programs.. like AmiExpress, PCBoard (which I used in the past) could
handle since the mid of the 90's! So enough told! lol

Well, I'm not (and I don't think anyone else is) giving you any sort of hard time about this, we'd just like to figure it out and get it fixed!

|07j |15A C K |07p |15H L A S H |07!
|08[https://jackphla.sh]

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A47 2021/12/25 (Windows/32)
* Origin: d i s t o r t i o n // d1st.org (911:1423/0)
SEEN-BY: 1203/3 1208/0 1 1216/0 1262/1 1304/0 1317/0 1 1352/1 1412/0 1415/0 SEEN-BY: 1418/0 1423/0 1503/0 1519/1 1570/0 1574/0 1626/0 1706/0 1718/0 1719/0
SEEN-BY: 1719/1 1724/0 1727/0 1 2 3 1801/0 1803/0 1818/0 30210/0 3589/0 4644/0
SEEN-BY: 4982/0
@PATH: 1423/0

Hm...

It could be, because I don't use the QWK part for transfering and getting/sending messages from/to Mike Powell, Capitol City Online BBS via FTN. Maybe there is the
1st point to look for the "fault"?

For me it is hard to say.. "It's not my fault!" I generally always look for a fault in myself
first! But I found nothing I could change.

Mike

--- Platinum Xpress/Win/WINServer v7.0
* Origin: Global Chaos BBS - The rising star of Bavaria, German (911:4982/0)

Hello jack,

On Fri, Oct 04 2024 01:00:48 -0500, you wrote:

I figured from your first message that Platinum Express might be to
blame, but I'm not trying to pick on it - a lot of people seem to think pretty highly of it. *shrug*

Nah, I'm definitely not trying to pick on it, whatsoever. I actually commend the guy (it would be nice if I could tell him that, though!) for running something different from just about everyone else.

Anywho, I saw his replies (in my DUPE base), and in both of those he never removed the quoted kludges, so that was a hopefully temporary failed experiment. :(

Regards,
Nick

... He who laughs last, thinks slowest.
--- slrn/pre1.0.4-9 (Linux)
* Origin: The Pharcyde ~ telnet://bbs.pharcyde.org (Wisconsin) (911:1262/1)

Hello Tiny,

On Fri, Oct 04 2024 11:03:20 -0500, you wrote:

I don't htink anyone likes Platinum Express, people just use it becuase there is nothing else.

I don't think I've ever actually looked at it from a sysop or user perspective. I may have seen some screenshots of a default install once or twice, but it always turned me away when I thought about the price tag. :)

When I ran WINS I bitched almost daily about PE, re-building the mesage areas by hand every 3 months wasn't fun either.

Sounds like my relationship with PCBoard at the moment - and I've only tried to add a lightbar matrix (a bunch of times). Apparently, I like punishment.. and I refuse to get my ass kicked by a BBS software from the 90s. :)

Regards,
Nick

... He who laughs last, thinks slowest.
--- slrn/pre1.0.4-9 (Linux)
* Origin: The Pharcyde ~ telnet://bbs.pharcyde.org (Wisconsin) (911:1262/1)

Hello jack,

On Fri, Oct 04 2024 16:29:10 -0500, you wrote:

I don't know what happend on the way to Jack (nothing against you
Jack!!!!). The logs didn't tell anything!

Well, you're not picking on me, it looks fine on this side. It's just Accession (and I'd assume other Synch boards?) that aren't seeing your posts.

No, not Synchronet. I use HPT and the rest of the Husky Project on my hub. My hub feeds my Synchronet BBS.

As I wrote to Mike in the one message that got through to my system, I have a feeling Mystic and Synchronet both convert CTRL-A codes when quoting kludge lines to "@" so they're viewable. This is probably why most people aren't seeing what I'm seeing.

My personal opinion is (to Wildcat Interactive Net Server)... There are
some things, I
really miss, which programs.. like AmiExpress, PCBoard (which I used in
the past) could
handle since the mid of the 90's! So enough told! lol

Well, I'm not (and I don't think anyone else is) giving you any sort of hard time about this, we'd just like to figure it out and get it fixed!

Most definitely am not giving a hard time, or insulting or anything like that. I'm just trying to narrow down all the possibilities and figure out the issue, so maybe even *I* can reply to his messages, too! :)

Regards,
Nick

... He who laughs last, thinks slowest.
--- slrn/pre1.0.4-9 (Linux)
* Origin: The Pharcyde ~ telnet://bbs.pharcyde.org (Wisconsin) (911:1262/1)

Hi Accession,
On <Sat, 04 Oct 24>, you wrote me:

once or twice, but it always turned me away when I thought about the
price tag. :)

I got into WINS late. I had bought my taxi's and this was before uber so
I was making actual money at the time. Obviously I've since lost all our savings and we now live pay check to pay check, but hey that's life.

Sounds like my relationship with PCBoard at the moment - and I've only tried to add a lightbar matrix (a bunch of times). Apparently, I like punishment.. and I refuse to get my ass kicked by a BBS software from
the 90s. :)

Laugh you'll get it man!

Shawn

* SeM. 2.26 * All wiyht. Rho sritched mg kegtops awound?
--- SBBSecho 3.20-Linux
* Origin: _thePharcyde telnet://bbs.pharcyde.org (Wisconsin) (911:1262/700)

On Sat, Oct 05 11:57:00 -0500, you wrote:

I got into WINS late. I had bought my taxi's and this was before uber so
I was making actual money at the time. Obviously I've since lost all our savings and we now live pay check to pay check, but hey that's life.

I'm just bored, and looking for something in this hobby to spark my interest. For years, I've been following and using 'currently maintained' open source software to keep me interested. Husky and Golded haven't been messed with in about 7 months now, so there isn't really much new shit to be excited about lately. It was a decent time for a nostalgia adventure. Although, now that I'm a curmudgeonly old(er) man, it's a painful adventure at the same time. ELiTE WRiTiNG, bad spelling, commented out (and hard coded) advertisements in code makes me want to run face first into a brick wall. :)

Sounds like my relationship with PCBoard at the moment - and I've only
tried to add a lightbar matrix (a bunch of times). Apparently, I like
punishment.. and I refuse to get my ass kicked by a BBS software from
the 90s. :)

Laugh you'll get it man!

That's still up in the air, at the moment. :)

Regards,
Nick

... Take my advice, I don't use it anyway.
--- Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:128.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderb
* Origin: The Pharcyde ~ telnet://bbs.pharcyde.org (Wisconsin) (911:1262/1)

On 05.10.2024 08:36, Accession wrote to Tiny:

MSGID: 911:1262/1 67013fbc
REPLY: 472.0n-warez@911:1262/700 2b666164
PID: SmapiNNTPd/Linux 2.4.7
CHRS: UTF-8 4
TZUTC: -0500
TID: hpt/lnx 1.9 2024-03-02
On Sat, Oct 05 11:57:00 -0500, you wrote:

I got into WINS late. I had bought my taxi's and this was before uber so
I was making actual money at the time. Obviously I've since lost all our
savings and we now live pay check to pay check, but hey that's life.

I'm just bored, and looking for something in this hobby to spark my interest.
For years, I've been following and using 'currently maintained' open source software to keep me interested. Husky and Golded haven't been messed with in about 7 months now, so there isn't really much new shit to be excited about lately. It was a decent time for a nostalgia adventure. Although, now that I'm
a curmudgeonly old(er) man, it's a painful adventure at the same time. ELiTE WRiTiNG, bad spelling, commented out (and hard coded) advertisements in code makes me want to run face first into a brick wall. :)

Sounds like my relationship with PCBoard at the moment - and I've only
tried to add a lightbar matrix (a bunch of times). Apparently, I like
punishment.. and I refuse to get my ass kicked by a BBS software from
the 90s. :)

Laugh you'll get it man!

That's still up in the air, at the moment. :)

Regards,
Nick

... Take my advice, I don't use it anyway.
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BTW: Nick

Could you do me a favor?

Please visit my forum under www.sysops-finest.org and register.

1st reason = could you get the verification EMail ?
2nd reason = your impression about this project of me?

What do you like? What do you dislike? What is missing?

Your judgment would be important to me..

BTW 2: removed the kludge here

Greetings

Mike


--- Platinum Xpress/Win/WINServer v7.0
* Origin: Global Chaos BBS - The rising star of Bavaria, German (911:4982/0)

On Sat, Oct 05 14:01:58 -0500, you wrote:

BTW: Nick

Could you do me a favor?

Please visit my forum under www.sysops-finest.org and register.

Done.

1st reason = could you get the verification EMail ?

Yes, but it arrived in my SPAM folder.

2nd reason = your impression about this project of me?

Everything so far looks great! Very well put together, and easy on the eyes.

What do you like? What do you dislike? What is missing?

I'm not much of a fan for web forums, in general. But it's very clean and offers quite a bit of topics on the hobby.

I did notice that your information for Jack Phlash on the Zeronet ad/plug was wrong. He runs Distortion, and he's not from Meridan, CT either. I think maybe you got his information mixed up with someone else's.

Your judgment would be important to me..

My opinion doesn't matter much. What matters the most is that you're happy with it!

BTW 2: removed the kludge here

It seems to be working! It is definitely narrowed down to the ^A codes. Now we just need to see if you are able to convert them via a configuration option, or if I have to make a feature request to the developers of my tosser. At least, in the past 20 years or so, it has only happened once! :)

Regards,
Nick

... Take my advice, I don't use it anyway.
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On 05.10.2024 11:51, Accession wrote to Mike:

MSGID: 911:1262/1 67016d52
REPLY: 911:4982/0 7e9d7714
PID: SmapiNNTPd/Linux 2.4.7
CHRS: UTF-8 4
TZUTC: -0500
TID: hpt/lnx 1.9 2024-03-02
On Sat, Oct 05 14:01:58 -0500, you wrote:

BTW: Nick

Could you do me a favor?

Please visit my forum under www.sysops-finest.org and register.

Done.

1st reason = could you get the verification EMail ?

Yes, but it arrived in my SPAM folder.

2nd reason = your impression about this project of me?

Everything so far looks great! Very well put together, and easy on the eyes.

What do you like? What do you dislike? What is missing?

I'm not much of a fan for web forums, in general. But it's very clean and offers quite a bit of topics on the hobby.

I did notice that your information for Jack Phlash on the Zeronet ad/plug was
wrong. He runs Distortion, and he's not from Meridan, CT either. I think maybe
you got his information mixed up with someone else's.

Your judgment would be important to me..

My opinion doesn't matter much. What matters the most is that you're happy with
it!

BTW 2: removed the kludge here

It seems to be working! It is definitely narrowed down to the ^A codes. Now we
just need to see if you are able to convert them via a configuration option, or
if I have to make a feature request to the developers of my tosser. At least,
in the past 20 years or so, it has only happened once! :)

Regards,
Nick

... Take my advice, I don't use it anyway.
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Hi Nick

Thank you for your visit!

I'm a little bit sad that you don't like this way of conveying information!
In my opinion, a somewhat more modern way of conveying information.
Goal => to inspire new people for this hobby! And share news, experience with the
BBS programs/tools ad-ones about this topic.

BTW: I fixed it straight away with Jack! Thank you for your advise!

What does the forum need? More people, like you... the "old ones" which have expierence
over the years with this topic.

Hm.... Still working on that issue, that Mails from the forum are landing in Spam drawers.
But I'm new to this, too. Lot to learn.. but makes fun!

So... thank you again Nick and have a nice sunday!

Mike


--- Platinum Xpress/Win/WINServer v7.0
* Origin: Global Chaos BBS - The rising star of Bavaria, German (911:4982/0)

On Sun, Oct 06 05:39:20 -0500, you wrote:

I'm a little bit sad that you don't like this way of conveying information!

It's not even specific to web forums. It's the web presence in general. I use the web to search and download files I need, or use/access github, but that's about it.

In my opinion, a somewhat more modern way of conveying information.
Goal => to inspire new people for this hobby! And share news, experience with the BBS programs/tools ad-ones about this topic.

This hobby needs all the help it can get to keep the interest out there and keep it alive. There is nothing wrong with your idea, and I hope it attracts new people to the hobby!

BTW: I fixed it straight away with Jack! Thank you for your advise!

Of course!

What does the forum need? More people, like you... the "old ones" which have expierence over the years with this topic.

Anything done to possibly steer new people back to this hobby is always a good thing.

Hm.... Still working on that issue, that Mails from the forum are
landing in Spam drawers.

Are you using a home built mail server? Are you relaying through an SMTP service of some sort?

It could be something simple like your mail server doesn't have a good reputation, or the reverse DNS records aren't setup or whatever. I had that same issue when trying to use Synchronet BBS software as an email server. There are definitely workarounds, but I just don't know them. :)

So... thank you again Nick and have a nice sunday!

You too, Mike!

Regards,
Nick

... Take my advice, I don't use it anyway.
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