• Re: zines

    From paulie420@911:1503/0 to poindexter FORTRAN on Sunday, July 14, 2024 13:39:53
    There was a free newspaper/tabloid in the San Francisco bay area called
    N O D E, if I remember the marketing correctly. It was like a MONDO
    2000 meets 2600 magazine, but circulation was sporadic and it
    dissapeared without a trace. I can't find much about it, except a web
    site that looks like it might be related.

    Dude - theres still a zine scene! I was in my local Powell's bookstore and they carry a dozen or so different titles... art, skating, underground, anarchy, lgbqt, etc. - still plenty to go around!

    Does 2600 even print their issues anymore? I didn't see that there, which surprised me.



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  • From jack phlash@911:1423/0 to paulie420 on Sunday, July 14, 2024 16:52:31
    on 14 Jul 2024, paulie420 said...

    Dude - theres still a zine scene! I was in my local Powell's bookstore
    and they carry a dozen or so different titles... art, skating, underground, anarchy, lgbqt, etc. - still plenty to go around!

    Yeah, we have a bunch here. They were popular in the punk scene back in the day too. Too bad most of them are garbage - basically just a weird form of artistic expression. *shrug*

    Does 2600 even print their issues anymore? I didn't see that there, which surprised me.

    Yep! I picked one up as recently as last year, if not earlier this year.

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  • From hollowone@911:1503/0 to paulie420 on Monday, July 15, 2024 07:05:57
    While... browsing for some new tech magazines recently I found this:

    https://www.hackercoolmagazine.com/product/hacker-magazine/

    This is a monthly magazine from India, focused on security.
    Cool name, I'm checking content, I have PDFs dating back from November 2023 up to now.. can share if you guys are curious.

    -h1

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  • From paulie420@911:1503/0 to jack phlash on Tuesday, July 16, 2024 20:01:06
    Does 2600 even print their issues anymore? I didn't see that there, w surprised me.

    Yep! I picked one up as recently as last year, if not earlier this year.

    I remember buying an issue on their website semi-recently and I received a .PDF instead of a paper copy... that, and [ANY!] political leanings of a HACKER zine turned me away in recent decades. I don't want my code that way.

    Still - 2600 was one of the zines that changed my outlook on computing as I was growing up. :P



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  • From paulie420@911:1503/0 to hollowone on Tuesday, July 16, 2024 20:14:22
    While... browsing for some new tech magazines recently I found this: https://www.hackercoolmagazine.com/product/hacker-magazine/

    This is a monthly magazine from India, focused on security.

    Cool name, I'm checking content, I have PDFs dating back from November 2023 up to now.. can share if you guys are curious.

    Neat - I pulled it up and YES, with all the data, I'd love to host it on 2oFB!!

    Upload and I'll do the rest. :P Thanks for posting...



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  • From jack phlash@911:1423/0 to paulie420 on Wednesday, July 17, 2024 09:28:27
    on 16 Jul 2024, paulie420 said...

    I remember buying an issue on their website semi-recently and I received
    a .PDF instead of a paper copy... that, and [ANY!] political leanings of
    a HACKER zine turned me away in recent decades. I don't want my code
    that way.

    Still - 2600 was one of the zines that changed my outlook on computing
    as I was growing up. :P

    Huh. If you feel strongly about that, I'm sure when you read these things you have to block the politics out, at least a little, right? Unless they were deep in the weeds on technical details, most H/P/A text files and zines back (when I read them a lot) had a subversive if not outright blatant political tinge to them. Maybe the political stances themselves were more hazy, aligning less cleanly with today's two US parties. I guess more zines probably wear their politics on their sleeves now, given how divisive everything is these days.

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  • From hollowone@911:1503/0 to paulie420 on Wednesday, July 17, 2024 23:53:40
    Upload and I'll do the rest. :P Thanks for posting...

    I'll bundle it all up and push later this week.

    -h1

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  • From paulie420@911:1503/0 to jack phlash on Thursday, July 18, 2024 22:02:44
    Huh. If you feel strongly about that, I'm sure when you read these
    things you have to block the politics out, at least a little, right? Unless they were deep in the weeds on technical details, most H/P/A text files and zines back (when I read them a lot) had a subversive if not outright blatant political tinge to them. Maybe the political stances themselves were more hazy, aligning less cleanly with today's two US parties. I guess more zines probably wear their politics on their
    sleeves now, given how divisive everything is these days.

    Yer right - but back then I aligned with the leanings of the publications I was reading; phrack, 2600, other little rags...

    But I get yer point - I changed, not the zines. :P



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  • From esc@911:1719/0 to paulie420 on Thursday, July 18, 2024 23:23:43
    But I get yer point - I changed, not the zines. :P

    Change back! Be a dirty librul like us :P

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@911:1503/0 to esc on Friday, July 19, 2024 07:29:37
    esc wrote to paulie420 <=-

    Change back! Be a dirty librul like us :P

    There was a great Doonesbury comic about a liberal guy at a bar, talking
    about how he grew up liberal, wrote a book highlighting republican
    corruption, it made the bestseller list and his accountant told him that Reagans tax cuts would save him a ton of money.

    "What's a liberal to do?"



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  • From esc@911:1719/0 to poindexter FORTRAN on Friday, July 19, 2024 10:40:41
    There was a great Doonesbury comic about a liberal guy at a bar, talking about how he grew up liberal, wrote a book highlighting republican corruption, it made the bestseller list and his accountant told him that Reagans tax cuts would save him a ton of money.

    "What's a liberal to do?"

    lol. That's pretty funny.

    It reminds me of the time John Stossel, big libertarian mouthpiece, lost one of his houses in a hurricane and wanted the government to reimburse him for it with disaster recovery money.

    I mean, I can't fault either of them. The law is the law. *shrug*

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  • From jack phlash@911:1423/0 to paulie420 on Friday, July 19, 2024 19:13:22
    on 18 Jul 2024, paulie420 said...

    Yer right - but back then I aligned with the leanings of the
    publications I was reading; phrack, 2600, other little rags...

    But I get yer point - I changed, not the zines. :P

    In all fairness, they might have changed a little. Politics are so one extreme or the other right now. *shrug*

    I don't read a lot of modern H/P stuff, outside of nonfiction books which are mostly historical, or occasionally educational. This could be a controversial opinion, I don't know, but I usually struggle to get through an entire issue of 2600 these days because, having worked in corporate IT for so long now, having learned so much more, including seeing more perspectives and, well, just growing up a lot, outside of the real technical articles sprinkled about, it MOSTLY feels like a bunch of old dudes trying to convince themselves of how k-cool they still are. It's a bit cringe, but man, I fucking loved it when I was a teenager.

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  • From paulie420@911:1503/0 to esc on Friday, July 19, 2024 23:03:07
    But I get yer point - I changed, not the zines. :P

    Change back! Be a dirty librul like us :P

    Oofa - 2024 isn't shaping up to be that year, esc... jeebus they should have given me a different choice MONTHS ago.



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  • From paulie420@911:1503/0 to jack phlash on Friday, July 19, 2024 23:05:27
    I don't read a lot of modern H/P stuff, outside of nonfiction books
    which are mostly historical, or occasionally educational. This could be
    a controversial opinion, I don't know, but I usually struggle to get through an entire issue of 2600 these days because, having worked in corporate IT for so long now, having learned so much more, including seeing more perspectives and, well, just growing up a lot, outside of
    the real technical articles sprinkled about, it MOSTLY feels like a
    bunch of old dudes trying to convince themselves of how k-cool they
    still are. It's a bit cringe, but man, I fucking loved it when I was a teenager.

    Its so weird - having NOT been in the IT/security world, I find all my technology/sysadmin stuff on my own... not in the land where yous in the know live - but I bet I could keep my own. I wish I'd of jumped in back then - I certainly wish I were in the coporate world now.

    Ugh.



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  • From Tiny@911:1262/700 to Paulie420 on Saturday, July 20, 2024 07:20:00
    Hi Paulie420,
    In a message to Jack Phlash you wrote:

    the know live - but I bet I could keep my own. I wish I'd of jumped in
    back then - I certainly wish I were in the coporate world now.

    No you don't, I made it until my late 40's self employed. COVID screwed
    that up and I had to get a job. Couple of promotions later and I'm in an office on a laptop all day and damn near sucidal from the corporate
    nonsense.

    Besides, unless you are upper managment these new companys don't
    pay near what people are worth becuase they all require their massive
    bonus.


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  • From jack phlash@911:1423/0 to paulie420 on Saturday, July 20, 2024 14:16:55
    on 19 Jul 2024, paulie420 said...

    Its so weird - having NOT been in the IT/security world, I find all my technology/sysadmin stuff on my own... not in the land where yous in the know live - but I bet I could keep my own. I wish I'd of jumped in back then - I certainly wish I were in the coporate world now.

    It's actually probably not too late. A certification or two could get your foot in the door, and once you have some experience, it's up and up. If you're interested in security in particular, from my perspective, there's still very much a million and one positions out there at bigger companies.

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  • From jack phlash@911:1423/0 to paulie420 on Saturday, July 20, 2024 14:39:25
    on 20 Jul 2024, jack phlash said...

    It's actually probably not too late. A certification or two could get
    your foot in the door, and once you have some experience, it's up and
    up. If you're interested in security in particular, from my perspective, there's still very much a million and one positions out there at bigger companies.

    I left out the part where I was going to mention that, like Tiny said, *if* you actually want to... and that's a big if. I sometimes regret my decision not to just keep working shit jobs and playing in bands. I would make far, far less, but I might be more sane today.

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  • From paulie420@911:1503/0 to Tiny on Saturday, July 20, 2024 21:40:22
    No you don't, I made it until my late 40's self employed. COVID screwed that up and I had to get a job. Couple of promotions later and I'm in
    an office on a laptop all day and damn near sucidal from the corporate nonsense.

    Besides, unless you are upper managment these new companys don't
    pay near what people are worth becuase they all require their massive bonus.

    Dude - I am worried... I've never been this close.



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  • From paulie420@911:1503/0 to jack phlash on Saturday, July 20, 2024 21:41:50
    Its so weird - having NOT been in the IT/security world, I find all m technology/sysadmin stuff on my own... not in the land where yous in know live - but I bet I could keep my own. I wish I'd of jumped in ba then - I certainly wish I were in the coporate world now.

    It's actually probably not too late. A certification or two could get
    your foot in the door, and once you have some experience, it's up and
    up. If you're interested in security in particular, from my perspective, there's still very much a million and one positions out there at bigger companies.

    I need to earn 100k. I feel like thats a wall that I'm staring down. :/

    ... woahhhhh me.



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  • From Tiny@911:1262/700 to Paulie420 on Sunday, July 21, 2024 05:23:00
    Hi Paulie420,
    On <Sun, 20 Jul 24>, you wrote me:

    Dude - I am worried... I've never been this close.

    Fingers crossed for you man.



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  • From esc@911:1719/0 to jack phlash on Sunday, July 21, 2024 03:36:29
    It's actually probably not too late. A certification or two could get
    your foot in the door, and once you have some experience, it's up and
    up. If you're interested in security in particular, from my perspective, there's still very much a million and one positions out there at bigger companies.

    +1 to this. In fact, certain ones you can throw in your signature block when someone likes to tell you things that are wrong. When I have a disagreement about some asinine security thing, I always put "CISSP" in my signature :P

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  • From esc@911:1719/0 to jack phlash on Sunday, July 21, 2024 03:38:51
    I left out the part where I was going to mention that, like Tiny said, *if* you actually want to... and that's a big if. I sometimes regret my decision not to just keep working shit jobs and playing in bands. I
    would make far, far less, but I might be more sane today.

    You seem pretty sane. A lot of the people I grew up with and played music with never went anywhere and a lot of them are total burnouts. Idk man. You'd maybe run the risk of becoming like that /or/ you'd be surrounded by a lot of people like that.

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  • From jack phlash@911:1423/0 to esc on Sunday, July 21, 2024 16:27:26
    on 21 Jul 2024, esc said...

    +1 to this. In fact, certain ones you can throw in your signature block when someone likes to tell you things that are wrong. When I have a disagreement about some asinine security thing, I always put "CISSP" in
    my signature :P

    You and everyone else in InfoSec, seemingly. :P

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  • From jack phlash@911:1423/0 to esc on Sunday, July 21, 2024 16:30:03
    on 21 Jul 2024, esc said...

    You seem pretty sane. A lot of the people I grew up with and played
    music with never went anywhere and a lot of them are total burnouts. Idk man. You'd maybe run the risk of becoming like that /or/ you'd be surrounded by a lot of people like that.

    Actually, you're surely right. A lot of my friends who chose that life... god bless 'em... but they're fucking degenerates. :) The truth is, working on anything besides what you actively want to or enjoy working on sucks, and my ADHD means what I'm interested in is constantly shifting around.

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  • From esc@911:1719/0 to jack phlash on Monday, July 22, 2024 01:16:10
    You and everyone else in InfoSec, seemingly. :P

    <laughs>

    As you know, I work in private sector but have a lot of government customers. When the stakeholders buy our software, the IT/InfoSec people are the first ones to throw up a bunch of arbitrary blockers when it comes time to do the installation and kickoff. This is /precisely/ the time where I flex my certs. In fact this is really the only time lol...just to shut down dumb govvies trying to justify their existence.

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  • From esc@911:1719/0 to jack phlash on Monday, July 22, 2024 01:17:24
    Actually, you're surely right. A lot of my friends who chose that
    life... god bless 'em... but they're fucking degenerates. :) The truth
    is, working on anything besides what you actively want to or enjoy
    working on sucks, and my ADHD means what I'm interested in is constantly shifting around.

    Bruh, I hear you. I fully hear you there. I go through phases like mad... It drives my wife nuts lol. One month I'm all in on guitar stuff, next month, my car, then game consoles, then computers, currently it's the nintendo switch and daydream bbs :P

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  • From jack phlash@911:1423/0 to esc on Monday, July 22, 2024 09:21:12
    on 22 Jul 2024, esc said...

    As you know, I work in private sector but have a lot of government customers. When the stakeholders buy our software, the IT/InfoSec people are the first ones to throw up a bunch of arbitrary blockers when it
    comes time to do the installation and kickoff. This is /precisely/ the time where I flex my certs. In fact this is really the only time lol...just to shut down dumb govvies trying to justify their existence.

    Yeah, you're right, I've been on the other side of that fence many times. Those concerns usually have some validity to them, but often times it's a with a massive helping of close-minded resistance to change, especially from outside influence. Anything you can do to ease concerns and open some minds is probably helpful. :P

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