Hey dudes/dudettes, I admit I've been living under a rock but I just saw Prometheus. In fact, I got into the whole "Alien" saga relatively recently, which is insane considering that the first two films are arguably perfect sci-fi horror movies.
Anyway I saw Prometheus understanding it to be a prequel/origin story of sorts, but I must be missing some pieces because it didn't really seem
to explain much? I didn't see where exactly the xenomorphs came from and
I don't know what those human ancestor things were all about, insofar as wtf did they bring to the story?
The movie was pretty great aside from that, also Idris Elba's wannabe southern American accent wasn't all that great lol.
Anyone have a different take on this one?
Hey dudes/dudettes, I admit I've been living under a rock but I just saw Prometheus. In fact, I got into the whole "Alien" saga relatively recently, which is insane considering that the first two films are arguably perfect sci-fi horror movies.
I must be living under an even larger rock because I didn't even know there was a new movie out that was a prequel to Alien. I loved the
I actually really dig Prometheus, some minor plot holes and other silly stuff aside. As for it being an origin story, perhaps watching the
direct sequel, Alien: Covenant, would fill in some more of those gaps
for you.
The connection is kind of lose and not as explicit as it could be. The gist of it is this: in Alien they find the alien face hugger from eggs aboard a crashed alien ship piloted by a giant humanoid alien ("the engineer".) In Prometheus, they visit a planet belonging to the very
same race of giant humanoids and find the black goo biological weapon of sorts that mutates the shit out of everything and may or may not have
been the source of the alien "xenomorphs" themselves being sort of biological weapons. Tinkering with said black goo to create xenos may
have been the actual mission of Weyland and David (but more on that in
the sequel.) There's also a whole series of hints around the giant humanoids themselves having created and/or attempted to wipe out
humanity on earth in the first scene of the movie.
Clear as mud? :P
I must be living under an even larger rock because I didn't even know there was a new movie out that was a prequel to Alien. I loved the original! --- SBBSecho 3.14-Win32
I must be living under an even larger rock because I didn't even
know there was a new movie out that was a prequel to Alien. I loved
A heavy-ass one - that movie came out over 10 years ago now! :P
I want to ask, but won't ask because I'd rather be surprised, why the engineers wanted to wipe out humanity on earth. I'm hopeful this gets explored more.
Did you watch Alien and the sequel Aliens? I think they are as perfect as a movie can get. They're amazing.
There are probably less clears answers to most of these questions than
you might suspect - these two movies are pretty controversial amongst Alien(s) fans. I'll resist answering anything else until you guys watch Covenant.
I just looked up the original and was shocked to see that it was
released in 1979? Say what? Somehow in my mind I thought they were "new" when I was a kid. Alient 2 was released in 1986. I guess that they were just new to me? --- SBBSecho 3.14-Win32
TBH our reliance on CGI to do all the heavy lifting in films these days is, to me, kind of a bummer...I really prefer oldschool practical effects instead of having everything be computer generated. And these movies pull the practical effects off perfectly.
Anyway I saw Prometheus understanding it to be a prequel/origin story of sorts, but I must be missing some pieces because it didn't really seem
to explain much? I didn't see where exactly the xenomorphs came from and
I don't know what those human ancestor things were all about, insofar as wtf did they bring to the story?
I liked the movie as a stand alone.. as then you wonder what's really going on.
But in the context of the whole Alien Saga... I was never able to couple them up together... it's better decoupled.
Nay... as much as I like Prometheus alone as some Giger, Beksinsky mix
in arts that are trying to tell you abstract Sci-Fi story... it's not
the same universe with corporate cyberpunk utopia in space as the
original movies were trying to tell.
Nay... as much as I like Prometheus alone as some Giger, Beksinsky mix
in arts that are trying to tell you abstract Sci-Fi story... it's not
the same universe with corporate cyberpunk utopia in space as the
original movies were trying to tell.
As much as I could be seen as defending Prometheus and its sequel in my previous replies, I actually tend to agree with your take here
The *next* Alien movie "Romulus" looks like its drawing largely from the first movie. One of those "it's not really a remake, technically" type
of things that are popular in the video game world. The trailer seems promising.
But as series continues... of course without strong hype.. I'm patiently waiting for Romulus as well ;)
I actually really dig Prometheus, some minor plot holes and other silly stuff aside. As for it being an origin story, perhaps watching the
direct sequel, Alien: Covenant, would fill in some more of those gaps
for you.
i watched it out of a list of "sci fi" movies for the year knowing
nothing about it whatsoever. that was the hypest thing ever.. i saw that ending and about shit a brick.. instantly googled it and was looking at the wikipedia to read about it. had no idea. it's easily one of if not
my favorite alien movie because it worked out that way. i know a lot of people don't really care for it but dang ;)
i watched it out of a list of "sci fi" movies for the year knowing
nothing about it whatsoever. that was the hypest thing ever.. i saw that ending and about shit a brick.. instantly googled it and was looking at the wikipedia to read about it. had no idea. it's easily one of if not
my favorite alien movie because it worked out that way. i know a lot of people don't really care for it but dang ;)
Honestly, that's probably one of the best ways to experience almost any movie - just going in blind without any preconceptions, expectations, or Internet bandwagon hype or hate affecting your impressions.
Honestly, that's probably one of the best ways to experience almost any movie - just going in blind without any preconceptions, expectations, or
That said, yeah, this one gets what I feel are incredibly
disproportionate amounts of criticism on the Internet. So many people
Hard agree, if I have even the smallest amount of faith that a movie is going to be really good I go into a total blackout about it. Did that with the latest Dune movies and so effing glad I did. Best was going
into The Matrix totally blind, I think someone told me it was a movie about ninjas without gravity or something and that's all I knew. Mind totally blown
This is the problem with well established IP, the audience somehow feels ownership over it to the extent that if it isn't done the way they want
or think it should be done the entire thing needs to be burnt at the cross. There can be no redeeming qualities at all if it deviates from what the base wants or expects.
Hard agree, if I have even the smallest amount of faith that a movie is going to be really good I go into a total blackout about it. Did that with the latest Dune movies and so effing glad I did. Best was going
into The Matrix totally blind, I think someone told me it was a movie about ninjas without gravity or something and that's all I knew. Mind totally blown
Man man! I've probably told this anecdote on here before, but I had a
very similar experience with The Matrix. My brother and I had always
kind of rooted for Keanu Reeves since Bill & Ted, and Johnny Mnemonic
from earlier in the decade is kind of a guilty pleasure. Saw the trailer
- didn't know WTF it was supposed to be, just a lot of action scenes, so one day we just kind of randomly decided to go see it. Blown away. None
of my friends had seen it; like, no one was talking about it at first... but that didn't last too long.
I read Dune as a teenager and my expectations were exceeded with the
film, but I was super nervous they'd ruin it somehow lol. But my wife watched it fresh with no background and really dug it. It's honestly a cinematic masterpiece, I really enjoy it. Up to the ending of Dune 2, anyway...but I'll keep my mouth shut for fear of spoiling things.
I consider that movie and Jurassic Park to be the pinnacle of using practical effects with some moderate CGI type stuff to produce a really breathtaking, suspension-of-disbelief cinematic experience. For both of those films, their direct sequels fucked up the equation and relied too much on CGI, like everything else since. It sucks. Those films were real standouts and will forever be heralded as near perfect representations
of their respective genres.
Even though I've never finished the book, I kind of grew up on Dune. My older brother was a huge sci-fi nerd when he was a teenager and recorded
a copy of the (at the time, very rare) broadcast version of the 1984
Dune and used to absolutely wear that VHS tape out. We later watched the Sci-fi Channel mini-series when it came out too. The new movies are
great, and I had a similar experience with my SO. She knew nothing about Dune and really dug it. Same with lots of other people I know. Fantastic movies! I'm hoping the third movie they're apparently working on is more of the same, and it'll take the story to places that are entirely unfamiliar to me to boot.
Agreed! My biggest issue with the other Matrix movies though, were
simply that they were nothing like where I imagined the story would go. The end of The Matrix felt so epic, like anything could happen. Neo was now a superhero, practically a god. The possibilities were endless. For Reloaded to kind of just... continue on with the same kind of shit just didn't do it for me. Adding some less than convincing CGI on top of that just locked in my negative view of it (and Revolutions.)
SPOILER ALERT!!!! DO NOT READ IF YOU HAVEN'T SEEN THESE MOVIES!!!!
YOU'VE BEEN WARNED!
How did you feel about the ending? I feel like Paul's character arc happened kinda suddenly and didn't feel super believable. Almost like it was crammed in at the end in a somewhat bogus way. It reminded me of the Khaleesi arc in the final episodes of that horrible show Game of Thrones :P
It's funny, Reloaded did that while simultaneously bringing in so much lore that I think much of the original story was kinda...lost. Idk. Hard to explain.
What was that scene with the lady in the restaurant getting her lady bits manipulated by the Matrix? Watching that while sitting next to my
parents was fucking weird. Still is weird and cringe. Ugh.
Ahh yes, how could I forget all of the expanded lore the sequels brought in?! *vomit* Look, I don't think they're utterly terrible movies, but honestly, I prefer to pretend they just don't exist. I try not to be
that kind of a pretentious, closeminded, elitest cinephile type, but The Matrix might be my one big exception.
That's a good perspective. I am for sure the pretentious, closeminded, elitest cinephile type. I hate when things are shit and have no problem sharing my opinion hehe.
Eh, I don't either, but I feel like the whole "I pretend the sequels
don't exist!" "Sequels, what sequels?" thing is practically a meme re: those kinds of people.
Man man! I've probably told this anecdote on here before, but I had a
very similar experience with The Matrix. My brother and I had always
kind of rooted for Keanu Reeves since Bill & Ted, and Johnny Mnemonic
from earlier in the decade is kind of a guilty pleasure. Saw the trailer
- didn't know WTF it was supposed to be, just a lot of action scenes, so one day we just kind of randomly decided to go see it. Blown away. None
of my friends had seen it; like, no one was talking about it at first... but that didn't last too long.
This is the problem with well established IP, the audience somehow fe ownership over it to the extent that if it isn't done the way they waThat, and there is no nuisance. If you don't like some aspects of the movie, the whole thing is a piece of garbage. Blech.
Wow, I wish we could have seen it together, probably one of the best
movie experiences of my life and since then it's a full media blackout
on anything that looks promising but nothing has delivererd to the
extent that those movies have. Some have come close, but nothing was so far from what I expected that was
You've hit the nail on the head with our modern culture to a certain extent, across all areas of discorse. Don't like that Taylor Swift
song? Well then how can I trust your views on quantum entanglement you lunatic?
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